Ok I love all the Kylo Ren jokes (human trashbag, complete monster, Emo Teen) but like

According to the novel Ben was ten years old when he left home to train with Luke, and fifteen when he destroyed Luke’s Jedi temple

So that means Snoke tempting him to the Dark Side would have involved a lot less offering untold cosmic power; and a lot more child-grooming, and subsequently absconding with a preteen boy

Idk about you but that skeeves me out

Oh noooooo

for bonus:

He had trouble believing what he was hearing. “So Snoke was watching our son.”

“Always,” she told him. “From the shadows, in the beginning, even before I realized what was happening, he was manipulating everything, pulling our son toward the dark side.”

We don’t know the details for sure, but if the movies go with this, Snoke was definitely grooming Ben from … infancy, pretty much.

There’s also that scene where Snoke tells Ben that he’s trained other people, but nobody like Ben because he’s special. D: D: D:

Filed under and leia didn’t tell han about this for awhile bc she thought she could shield ben so before they sent ben away (aged ten) there was a period when leia knew what snoke was up to and was trying to block him (sidenote: leia consciously using her force powers and confident in them? this would be nice to see onscreen) and there was also a period before /that/ when she /didn’t/ know but it was still going on even setting aside ‘always’ ben would /have/ to be a very small child when this started also that whole manipulating everything from the shadows pulling at ben definitely sounds like creepy dark side psychic shit so in all probability ben had his stalker inside his own head as… a toddler i feel like i should be tagging for like five different things but let’s go for grooming for ts ben organa snoke star wars (also the whole SNOKE! IT’S ALL SNOKE!! is less ‘must blame someone’ and more … yeah 🙂 leia skywalker organa han solo

This.  The script, directing, Adam Driver, etc. all did a brilliant job of having Kylo Ren come off as very unstable and off-kilter.  I was wondering what had happened to him even before they brought up the Snoke involvement and that only cemented it.

I really wonder if we’re going to find out that Snoke was less after an apprentice that might usurp him and more after a vicious attack animal unhinged enough to not be a relevant threat to Snoke himself.