yeah and uh

none of that raising people against their goddamn will

Sylvanas raises souls that are restless and can’t move on for whatever reason

they’re the only ones that actually can be pulled back

they’re stuck, mired in pain, unfinished business, whatever

she gives them a choice: stay stuck or come find a purpose with me. you’ll get to stab things and set them on fire~~ <3

you want a “Lich Queen” comparison to make? it’s Bolvar, not Arthas.

she takes them on because no one else wants them. the way no one else wanted her or cared about her pain or grief or rage. the living don’t give a tenth of a fuck about them. there’s no joy in this curse, as she says. but she offers them a place. the choice she never had, to quote another undead person I like a lot. 

Ah, yes, the starter zone dilemma. You’re either gung-ho about it, or slaughtered for dissent.

‘If the Dark Lady has given me this gift then I will gladly serve’

But I’m sorry, have you done the Silverpine quests?

Where she and Agatha (and the player) raise Alliance humans that were just fighting against her minutes beforehand, and yet are suddenly loyal servants?

You can’t convince me with uncited reasoning regarding “restless souls” that there’s not some level of influence there- people don’t just flop sides like that shouting, “For the Dark Lady!” when they were actively fleeing from her minutes before. The best theory for this is regarding the fact that Forsaken suffer a huge severance from a lot of their more positive and human emotions and are kind of demented and malleable when they’re risen, which is in and of itself hardly anything resembling “free will”.

It doesn’t matter if they actively choose to side with her; their minds are no longer stable. She’s still raising undead.

There is no joy in this curse, and yet she casts it upon them anyway. She refers to these people as arrows in her quiver. She doesn’t give a fuck about them. The original forsaken? Yes, she took them on because they were cast aside, and her cause was more noble- give them a home. But it’s about conquest now. Making more arrows for her quiver. The choice offered is a flimsy one, and has a wobbly possibility of free will at best when you consider the circumstances. It’s not like she personally goes into the afterlife and interviews spirits and kindly asks them, “Would you like to come back and fight for my people? No? Well, okay, rest in peace.”

op was (correct me if i’m wrong ofc) pretty clearly making a canon-divergent headcanon based more in “this would be cooler/more interesting to me than whats in canon now” so there’s really no need to be so aggressively pedantic imo

yeah. bisho was speaking of our mutual headcanon.

shithowdy is an ignoramus who cannot be bothered to read. they’re more interested in crying about the game as if Sylvanas is an actual person, and as if Dave Kosak’s writing isn’t made of failure.

shithowdy, no one is going to give you treats for being a ninnyhammer, and blizzard is never going to care how much you defend their issueladen obnoxious uncreative work. but then—this is tpyical for you, isn’t it? i’ve seen you making an utter joke of yourself more than once before and it’s becoming embarrassing to watch.

And now you’ve gone and made a complete joke of yourself again. congrats? i mean…i know you probably wanted to provoke some kind of flamewar because you’ve made some nasty rude judgmenet about my partner and you think you should be allowed to be rude ebcause wwwaaaaahhhh. that’s not uncommon for dense people like you to do. or maybe  you wanted to get into a “debate” (pro tip: you’re not debating, you’re being shrill and annoying) when you can’t even get the facts of the starting zone right, or comprehend that kosak’s execrable little fanfic was an annoying, misogynist hunk of poorly-written retcon?

do you ever engage your brain before opening your mouth? i’d guess not.

you should probably run along before you embarrass yourself even more. i mean. really. do you have any idea how you look? “WAH FROTH PISS I WILL BAREG IN ON THIS POST ABOUT FANON AND BEGIN SCREAMING ANGRILY AND RAGING ABOUT THE GAME AS IF THAT MEANS A DAMN THING! UNFGH GRUNT SHART.”

of course, you’re certainly free to continue your temper-tantrum. you’re also free to keep pretending Sylvanas is a person who EXISTS and not a pixel-character whose actions are dictated by programmers. you’re definitely free to keep wading in way out of your depth, not bothering to read things properly, and keep humiliating yourself. 

it’s your choice. <3

Wow. You need to get up, remove the stick from your ass and then sit back down.