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As another fan of Death Knights I often find myself having problems choosing a spec for my characters as I have attachments to all of them. Do you have any similar problems or is Tev pretty hammered out?

I tend to play a bit fast and loose with Tev’s IC spec. I figure while in the Scourge death knights were taught all of the spell schools, but typically gravitate to using one in combat over the others. Thassarian, for example has a ghoul but Blizzard will usually give him frost spells.

Tev’s a blood DK IC; blood what he’ll use in combat, but he’s not above summoning a ghoul when he wants cheap, dumb labor, or throwing snowballs at someone using frost magic.

OOC I waffle pretty heavily between frost and unholy for Tev’s offspec, depending on what I need for PVP/PVE.

It would turn into peat in a normal person due to humidity and heat inside the human body, but I’m assuming it would be well preserved inside a Death Knight! That’s assuming you follow the head-cannon that Death Knights are probably not just at room temperature, but actually extremely cold thanks to the necromantic energies that preserve th- wait, why am I arguing with the undisputed queen of Death Knight lore?

owlpellet:

Hey I’ll dispute that, I’m just some obsessive dweeb and people correct me or point out things I’ve forgotten all the time!

I THINK WE’VE SCIENCED TOO FAR HERE, ANON.

But in all seriousness I have so many derpy headcanons about how their preservation could possibly work, and it probably differs from DK to DK depending on how they were raised and what school of magic they follow. Frost and blood DKs probably reek a lot less than their unholy brothers and sisters overall (with exceptions, I’m sure), simply because one magic is far more preservative and the other has a huge focus on regeneration. I imagine plenty of blood DKs have a still-beating heart and a lifelike temperature, perhaps slightly lower.

Oliver is Unholy and a gross and stinky room temperature; a soup of perpetual rot and regeneration that depends on soul energy stolen by his runeblade and can’t be taken further than the exact state he was risen. Any grafting will rot away because the magic wasn’t “programmed” to sustain that flesh. I will openly admit that I devised this concept for him to stop the parade of people trying to fix his face.

I like the idea that preservation is more of a reward to keep fighting than something they’re just plain given, with the exception of maybe some of the Lich King’s favorites.

But that’s just meeee~

Tevruden is basically room-temperature, and pale like a dead body most of the time. It’s only when he starts actually calling on blood DK powers that he starts looking a little flush and he’s no longer cold to the touch. As for blood DK regeneration; there’s been at least one occasion where Tev has gotten his arm taken off and he casually dispatched his enemy, then walked over to where it was and  ~scoruge magic’ed~ it back on while the people around him were freaking out about it. (Now he just gets Van to sew it back on and does the regeneration thing out of sight of mortals.)

I love rp police like you who think they’re “better” than Blizzard’s lore and push your head-canons as truth. Especially when you play a light-worshipping DK, lol.

owlpellet:

This is a particularly great hate to get too because I think it was like last week I was talking with VikingCarrot about how incredibly careful I am not to do this. Probably every paragraph I write has a headcanon disclaimer somewhere, and my criticism of lore is usually about how little we’re given and how much I have to make up (which is how we started talking about that in the first place, haha). If you don’t like the advice or ideas (for which people ask), then don’t follow them?

Also, kiss kiss.

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That’s so cute.

“Light worshipping Death Knights”. Look buddy not everyone who dies and comes back as a DK is suddenly “teh supa evils” like they may come back wrong sure. But humans (who most DKs are) worshipped The Light heavily in life, you don’t just die and suddenly not do it. That’d be like a Christian having a heart attack and “dying” for a short period of time before being shocked back to life and coming back as a Satanist.

owlpellet:

Yeah, that’s probably the last thing I should be criticized about if someone’s going to snipe at my character (next time maybe make fun of the psychic brain connection with his disturbingly young wife?). In all seriousness (RP: very serious), I think the extensive mental and physical torture inflicted by the Scourge isn’t really comparable to a heart attack; on top of the fact that the Light rejects them physically, it would be more than reasonable for someone to lose their faith after an experience like that. But the Light was also what enabled their freedom at the battle for the chapel, and as you said, a lot of them fell in service and at least a few (like the NPC I posted) would be eager to serve again.

shithowdy:

notapaladin:

shithowdy:

barkentin:

shithowdy:

I actually don’t even know why I’m so indignant over this because I’ve basically spent the past (nearly) five years griping that NPCs aren’t rude enough to death knights.

I’ve often wondered how rude they’d actually be; on one hand they’re the undead heralds of the Lich King, and on the other hand they’re liable to kill you for mouthing off to them.

I’ve thought about this a lot (surpreis) and I think it would probably differ from race to race but there would overall be just a huge and open mistrust. Maybe less so now that it’s been a few years since the Lich King died and they still haven’t snapped and turned on everybody, but just a general wariness of the fact that these people are plaguebearing sadists with a lot of mental baggage.

so basically they’re azeroth’s meth-addled veteran hobos

I feel like something similar should hold true for Forsaken, so this is relevant to my interests.

Death knights, forsaken, wretched, probably worgen. Anything transformed via dark magic/etc. into something more “monstrous” than their previous selves, I guess. But I do think race would have a lot to do with it, as well. Like Horde overall probably had an easier time with the DKs because they already have Forsaken and batshit cannibal trolls and all sorts of bonkers going on. But I can imagine a lot of the more shamanistic and druidic cultures would as a whole have a particular disdain for them outside of the diplomatic level, because undead are kind of the exact opposite of natural and death knights in particular have a bad habit of blighting the shit out of everything on the battlefield. Gilneans also probably have an extra difficult time with death knights because their only experience with undead is what the Forsaken did to them, and they weren’t there for the whole Northrend thing, so that alliance doesn’t mean much to them.

I also kind of have this headcanon that a lot of Forsaken really fucking hate DKs because they think they’re a bunch of losers that couldn’t break free on their own but at the same time think they’re tough shit.

Yeah.

Humans and blood elves probably have the highest levels of mistrust for DKs since they were the ones directly affected by Arthas fucking up half of the Eastern Kingdoms. 

As for the Forsaken… Based on all that questing for the Ebon Blade in icecrown I figured that the reason a Death Knight wouldn’t have broken free when Illidan started fucking around in Icecrown is because they were kept on a much shorter leash. Since they had more power and (a bit) more autonomy, the Lich King paid a lot more attention to them to make sure they didn’t step out of line.

On ‘gen 4’ Deathknights. The quests in Eastern Plaguelands of Fiona’s carevan end with the undead wanting to turn Gidwin Goldbraids into a brand new Death Knight, this would hint at there still being the possibility of actual, game-backed deathknights.

owlpellet:

I have had like 8 bazillion people remind me of this; I actually addressed it in another post in that I personally consider anything risen by the Scourge to still be 3rd gen just because the methods are basically the same (so basically it comes down to if you consider the generations to be a timeline thing or a magic type/political thing). I was referring to the possibility of player-type DKs raising people similar to themselves— something the Ebon Blade would frown upon, but extremely prevalent in RP (which is what most of my posts are geared toward).

But yes, that is a thing that happened and is pretty good reference for a post-scourge backstory if you don’t feel like doing the Acherus thing nearly five years after it happened.

how do you think deathknights react to the Light?

This is the question you were thinking of:

owlpellet:

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swear y’all are baiting me

I’ve had this one in my inbox for over a day because I’ve wanted time. Lots of headcanons ahead.

I’ll get out of the way first that they aren’t vampires. Simply walking over holy ground won’t cause them to burst into flames, and prayer probably doesn’t sound like nails on chalkboard to them. I’ve seen some RPers do this and— honestly, I’m all for giving your characters challenging weaknesses, but it would be an individual thing and isn’t something they experience as a whole.

But as to how they actually react to it, I guess we should first take a look at what the devs say about undead and their use of the Light:

Without spoiling too much, we can tell you that wielding the Light is a matter of having willpower or faith in one’s own ability to do it. That’s why there are evil paladins (for example, the Scarlet Crusade and Arthas before he took up Frostmourne). For the undead (and Forsaken), this requires such a great deal of willpower that it is exceedingly rare, especially since it is self-destructive. When undead channel the Light, it feels (to them) as if their entire bodies are being consumed in righteous fire. Forsaken healed by the Light (whether the healer is Forsaken or not) are effectively cauterized by the effect: sure, the wound is healed, but the healing effect is cripplingly painful. Thus, Forsaken priests are beings of unwavering willpower; Forsaken (and death knight) tanks suffer nobly when they have priest and paladin healers in the group; and Sir Zeliek REALLY hates himself.

So. The (likely) deal with the Light and its physical reaction to the undead is that it’s just reacting to the dark magic that animates their bodies and is doing what it’s meant to do- cleanse them. At its very core, Scourge magic is demonic magic, given to Ner’zhul by Kil’jaeden. Death knights and forsaken are a bit different in the kinds of magic that animate them (forsaken were mostly victims of the plague of undeath; death knights are either risen by necromancers and fueled by rune magic or just corrupted by rune magic into undeath [that’s why worgen can be death knights heyo]), but it’s all shit the Light hates and doesn’t think should be in a body. It doesn’t have anything against them as ‘abominations’ or whatever (though many of them will surely believe this is the case), it’s trying to do them a favor. It’s just unfortunate for them that it only winds up hurting a lot instead, but can at least burn some wounds closed. I believe there was a later question that also stated Forsaken with extended exposure to the Holy Light might also regain some feeling (the good and the bad) and other lively feelings— I imagine it must impact some of the more deadish death knights the same way.

Due to the sheer flow of dark magic through their body, however, I think their reaction to the Light would probably be more volatile than that of a typical forsaken.

As for actually calling on it, Sir Zeliek is forever our shining example that it is a possibility, but there’s a reason that dev said he hates himself. The Lich King forcing him to continue calling on it is torture; every time he strikes, he basically self-immolates. Worthy of note has always been the flavor text on this card from the TCG:

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I wish I could find a bigger picture, but she is an undead priestess with flavor text that reads,

The Light rewards faith, not form.

So take from that what you will- many death knights are unwillingly fallen paladins, and I can’t imagine some of them wouldn’t attempt to pursue their previous faiths. It would come at a great cost, however, and their need to constantly slaughter would probably conflict a lot with their faith in themselves.

so tl;dr, the Light does not like their bodies, but it may not necessarily not like them as its servants. There are no canon examples of an Ebon Knight calling on the Light. Only Zeliek, who is under a special sort of control and probably wouldn’t even be able to call on it without that. So I suppose that’s something left for individual character stories~

Q: Are there long-term effects on an undead who is in regular contact with the Holy Light in a positive way?

A: It is difficult to say, as there are no known records of undead wielding the Holy Light before the Third War. There are reports, however, that some Forsaken have slowly experienced a sharpening of their dulled senses of touch, smell, etc., as well as an increase in the flashes of positive emotions that have otherwise become so rare since their fall into undeath. Unfortunately, this may be the cause of the Forsaken priesthood’s increased attempts at self-destruction; regaining these senses would force the priests to smell their own rotting flesh, taste the decay in their mouths and throats, and even feel the maggots burrowing within their bodies.

I figure it would have been more common for a death knight to try to wield the light in the time right after Light’s Hope, and then less common as more of them learn of the massive negative reaction that happens.  

Tevruden has a story about that. He tried something really simple (think one of the spells a paladin has at character creation) but he wasn’t really prepared for how much it hurt and it knocked him on his ass for a week.

Needless to say, its a touchy subject he doesn’t really talk about.